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		<title>By: Killing Muni Softly: Foreseeable Emergency &#171; Transbay Blog</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killing Muni Softly: Foreseeable Emergency &#171; Transbay Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rather use at most once, preferably not at all &#8212; but certainly not as the headnote of an occasional series.  No such luck in San Francisco, where transit is caught in a death cycle that may be on course [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rather use at most once, preferably not at all &#8212; but certainly not as the headnote of an occasional series.  No such luck in San Francisco, where transit is caught in a death cycle that may be on course [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SFMTA Weighs Proposals To Close FY11-12 Budget Gap &#171; Transbay Blog</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SFMTA Weighs Proposals To Close FY11-12 Budget Gap &#171; Transbay Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and preventive maintenance.  The MTA Board has since confirmed its desire to move forward with the general budget package that has been on the table, including  the cable car/express bus $70 premium pass, and a 10% [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and preventive maintenance.  The MTA Board has since confirmed its desire to move forward with the general budget package that has been on the table, including  the cable car/express bus $70 premium pass, and a 10% [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jones</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that we&#039;re mixing up to concept of express buses with the optimal spacing of stops to run an efficient service. Stop spacing is a balance, just like price and demand, however express buses are by nature an additional service hence the premium price. Usually, in transit oriented urban areas the &quot;express services&quot; are the longer distance routes and the premium price is garnered by the fares structure that charges more for longer trips. In the case of genuine premium services, there are usually additional costs associated with them; more expensive vehicles, poor utilization or additional drivers. There are also less obvious costs such as vehicle storage, extraction from regular services and additional infrastructure capacity. The latter is easily seen with rail services, but buses too have their impacts on infrastructure (road wear, elimination of parking spaces) and here in Oakland AC Transit has successfully objected to bike-lanes and road diets on streets they use. Then, of course, there are the sprawl inducing effects of providing express services. Live in the Oakland Hills, and AC Transit’s Transbay wifi coach service is there for you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we&#8217;re mixing up to concept of express buses with the optimal spacing of stops to run an efficient service. Stop spacing is a balance, just like price and demand, however express buses are by nature an additional service hence the premium price. Usually, in transit oriented urban areas the &#8220;express services&#8221; are the longer distance routes and the premium price is garnered by the fares structure that charges more for longer trips. In the case of genuine premium services, there are usually additional costs associated with them; more expensive vehicles, poor utilization or additional drivers. There are also less obvious costs such as vehicle storage, extraction from regular services and additional infrastructure capacity. The latter is easily seen with rail services, but buses too have their impacts on infrastructure (road wear, elimination of parking spaces) and here in Oakland AC Transit has successfully objected to bike-lanes and road diets on streets they use. Then, of course, there are the sprawl inducing effects of providing express services. Live in the Oakland Hills, and AC Transit’s Transbay wifi coach service is there for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think anyone genuinely &lt;i&gt;likes&lt;/i&gt; these measures.  Weighing lessers of evils doesn&#039;t shouldn&#039;t be equated with affirmative adoration.

Other than the above-noted exception, confusion is a negligible factor on the express buses.  Many express bus riders are daily downtown commuters who would become accustomed to the change quickly.  Moreover, express riders constitute a tiny percentage of daily Muni ridership.  As I indicated, though, if this measure is pursued, it makes most sense for the peak hour lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone genuinely <i>likes</i> these measures.  Weighing lessers of evils doesn&#8217;t shouldn&#8217;t be equated with affirmative adoration.</p>
<p>Other than the above-noted exception, confusion is a negligible factor on the express buses.  Many express bus riders are daily downtown commuters who would become accustomed to the change quickly.  Moreover, express riders constitute a tiny percentage of daily Muni ridership.  As I indicated, though, if this measure is pursued, it makes most sense for the peak hour lines.</p>
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		<title>By: lyqwyd</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lyqwyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charging higher rates for express buses makes little sense to me. It adds complexity and will confuse riders. I like the idea of raising cash rates, but keeping discounted rates, like fastrack on the bay bridge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charging higher rates for express buses makes little sense to me. It adds complexity and will confuse riders. I like the idea of raising cash rates, but keeping discounted rates, like fastrack on the bay bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not agree that people taking express buses should pay extra.  Nor do I think we should be looking for nickels and dimes in the pockets of Muni riders in any way tp help the mayor and the Board of Directors solve this budget crisis.  I think we should be uniting in a call to the mayor and the Board of Directors (which is unelected, by the way) to go out on a political limb, rally the financial district for a transit assessment tax ballot measure and expand the hours of parking  meter enforcement.

I&#039;m also hearing some people say that there is wiggle room in the state law that regulates residential parking permits and that we might be able to charge more for RPP (like so much that the annual cost of monthly Muni passes could be included in the charge -- though that is obviously an amount that we would have to get to incrementally).

And where has the mayor been on Muni?  Why isn&#039;t he out front with other mayors lobbying loudly for more state and federal money for urban transit systems&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree that people taking express buses should pay extra.  Nor do I think we should be looking for nickels and dimes in the pockets of Muni riders in any way tp help the mayor and the Board of Directors solve this budget crisis.  I think we should be uniting in a call to the mayor and the Board of Directors (which is unelected, by the way) to go out on a political limb, rally the financial district for a transit assessment tax ballot measure and expand the hours of parking  meter enforcement.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also hearing some people say that there is wiggle room in the state law that regulates residential parking permits and that we might be able to charge more for RPP (like so much that the annual cost of monthly Muni passes could be included in the charge &#8212; though that is obviously an amount that we would have to get to incrementally).</p>
<p>And where has the mayor been on Muni?  Why isn&#8217;t he out front with other mayors lobbying loudly for more state and federal money for urban transit systems&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: david vartanoff</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david vartanoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About Limiteds and Expresses, Rescue Muni (when we had a fit of clearly unjustified optimism) put out a document recommending a number of express routes.  As to the stop elimination mantra, IF the mix were mostly Ltds (Geary for example)  both the long and short distance riders would be better served without making life difficult for non-jocks. As to fares,ANY complex structure is just dumb.  The smartest thing is to encourage more Passes because they are the most efficient--not only do riders get on faster, but Muni can put the money in money market funds at the beginning of the month.  The only losers are the &quot;late night transfer crooks&quot;.  And no change to be sorted at the end of the day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Limiteds and Expresses, Rescue Muni (when we had a fit of clearly unjustified optimism) put out a document recommending a number of express routes.  As to the stop elimination mantra, IF the mix were mostly Ltds (Geary for example)  both the long and short distance riders would be better served without making life difficult for non-jocks. As to fares,ANY complex structure is just dumb.  The smartest thing is to encourage more Passes because they are the most efficient&#8211;not only do riders get on faster, but Muni can put the money in money market funds at the beginning of the month.  The only losers are the &#8220;late night transfer crooks&#8221;.  And no change to be sorted at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2010/02/01/killing-muni-softly-end-of-fy10-budget-scramble/#comment-8246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with David.  Riders should be encouraged to take the express buses where available.  If nothing else, it&#039;s a good way of implementing stop reduction.  

Ideally I&#039;d like to see the cash fare for non-express service raised.  The big potential problem I see is that this penalizes people who don&#039;t live along express routes (e.x. those near the rail routes and 19th Ave).  I suspect one of the big reasons that the MTA is moving towards drastic cuts as opposed to restructuring things is to avoid meddling from the BoS... which of course means that the types of changes they&#039;re likely to propose are going to be pretty limited.

I&#039;d like to see more express buses (are there routes that could be converted into express routes?), and perhaps some stop skipping (or elimination) along the rail lines.  Stopping at every third block in the avenues would speed things up tremendously (were it not for the geriatric contingent that howls wildly against this every time it&#039;s proposed).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David.  Riders should be encouraged to take the express buses where available.  If nothing else, it&#8217;s a good way of implementing stop reduction.  </p>
<p>Ideally I&#8217;d like to see the cash fare for non-express service raised.  The big potential problem I see is that this penalizes people who don&#8217;t live along express routes (e.x. those near the rail routes and 19th Ave).  I suspect one of the big reasons that the MTA is moving towards drastic cuts as opposed to restructuring things is to avoid meddling from the BoS&#8230; which of course means that the types of changes they&#8217;re likely to propose are going to be pretty limited.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see more express buses (are there routes that could be converted into express routes?), and perhaps some stop skipping (or elimination) along the rail lines.  Stopping at every third block in the avenues would speed things up tremendously (were it not for the geriatric contingent that howls wildly against this every time it&#8217;s proposed).</p>
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		<title>By: david vartanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david vartanoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[actually, surcharging express riders is dumb.  They are CHEAPER to transport because the bus moves faster.  The greater # of riders we can get onto expresses the lower the hourly cost of moving them labor (including benefits) is the majority of the cost of service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, surcharging express riders is dumb.  They are CHEAPER to transport because the bus moves faster.  The greater # of riders we can get onto expresses the lower the hourly cost of moving them labor (including benefits) is the majority of the cost of service.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And maybe it would also incent keeping more of the TransLink readers on and/or in working order.  But yeah, that&#039;s the direction MTA really should be going anyway, and this is just the sort of thing that could be raised at this Saturday&#039;s town hall -- hint, hint :)

&lt;i&gt; I can’t imagine many people are hopping an X to go two stops in the Avenues.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfmta.com/cms/rtep/documents/Route38AXdata.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Only a handful&lt;/a&gt;, as it turns out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And maybe it would also incent keeping more of the TransLink readers on and/or in working order.  But yeah, that&#8217;s the direction MTA really should be going anyway, and this is just the sort of thing that could be raised at this Saturday&#8217;s town hall &#8212; hint, hint :)</p>
<p><i> I can’t imagine many people are hopping an X to go two stops in the Avenues.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfmta.com/cms/rtep/documents/Route38AXdata.htm" rel="nofollow">Only a handful</a>, as it turns out.</p>
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