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		<title>By: San Jose Diridon: Grand Central or Bust &#171; Transbay Blog</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6322</link>
		<dc:creator>San Jose Diridon: Grand Central or Bust &#171; Transbay Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mercury News made it crystal clear that the primary interest at stake is not transportation, but civic self-esteem. The article rejoices in the fact that San Jose Diridon Station &#8212; already served by Caltrain, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mercury News made it crystal clear that the primary interest at stake is not transportation, but civic self-esteem. The article rejoices in the fact that San Jose Diridon Station &#8212; already served by Caltrain, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6159</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having BART serve the entire Bay Area is one of those things that sounds like a nice idea, but it&#039;s far from practical. The project is fraught with problems that VTA is simply trying to sweep under the rug. It&#039;s no way to do transportation planning. You sound like you&#039;re already sold on the extension, but I&#039;d still encourage you to read the other posts in &lt;a href=&quot;http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/a-series-on-bart-to-san-jose/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this series&lt;/a&gt;, if you haven&#039;t already. They highlight at least some of the main problems, although there&#039;s even still more that could be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having BART serve the entire Bay Area is one of those things that sounds like a nice idea, but it&#8217;s far from practical. The project is fraught with problems that VTA is simply trying to sweep under the rug. It&#8217;s no way to do transportation planning. You sound like you&#8217;re already sold on the extension, but I&#8217;d still encourage you to read the other posts in <a href="http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/a-series-on-bart-to-san-jose/" rel="nofollow">this series</a>, if you haven&#8217;t already. They highlight at least some of the main problems, although there&#8217;s even still more that could be said.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6156</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric:  I appreciate your taking the time to understand my point of view.  I still disagree about the BART project.  When I have needed to get places within the North and East bays, I have found it to be very useful... I have even taken the BART to the South Bay via Fremont, then to wait and board a bus to get me to downtown San Jose, a trip that takes about an hour+ by itself.  The fact is, San Jose should have an economic system that can sustain all modes of transportation.  San Francisco can.  When you consider the amount of tech work and computer-related jobs in this area and the impact of 101 and 280 for those that commute, the idea of BART sounds very appealing.  Plus, who wants to wait 2 hours to get to SF?  What my friends and I have talked about is implementing freeway-central platforms, like in the Llivermore area.  I&#039;m not sure why San Jose comes last in the equation, especially when the pioneering engineer of this project envisioned a unified Bay Area.  All I know is that I&#039;ve been rooting for this for over a decade and have even left for five years and still talk.  If the rest of the Bay Area can enjoy this mode of transportation in their own backyard, I can promise that the people of San Jose feel nothing but left out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:  I appreciate your taking the time to understand my point of view.  I still disagree about the BART project.  When I have needed to get places within the North and East bays, I have found it to be very useful&#8230; I have even taken the BART to the South Bay via Fremont, then to wait and board a bus to get me to downtown San Jose, a trip that takes about an hour+ by itself.  The fact is, San Jose should have an economic system that can sustain all modes of transportation.  San Francisco can.  When you consider the amount of tech work and computer-related jobs in this area and the impact of 101 and 280 for those that commute, the idea of BART sounds very appealing.  Plus, who wants to wait 2 hours to get to SF?  What my friends and I have talked about is implementing freeway-central platforms, like in the Llivermore area.  I&#8217;m not sure why San Jose comes last in the equation, especially when the pioneering engineer of this project envisioned a unified Bay Area.  All I know is that I&#8217;ve been rooting for this for over a decade and have even left for five years and still talk.  If the rest of the Bay Area can enjoy this mode of transportation in their own backyard, I can promise that the people of San Jose feel nothing but left out.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6155</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas: please take the time to scrutinize this project carefully. I&#039;m not sure if you read the blog regularly; just in case you don&#039;t, my perspective is always in favor of more and better transit. That applies &lt;i&gt;everywhere&lt;/i&gt;: not just to San Francisco and the East Bay. But it&#039;s no accident that transit &lt;i&gt;advocates&lt;/i&gt; are exactly those people who oppose the project! That&#039;s a clear sign that there&#039;s more underlying this project than just the &quot;cool&quot; factor of having BART in San Jose.

You speak of quality of life. Consider what will occur when VTA is forced to cut bus service, so that funds can be moved from bus operation to cover the BART operation shortfall. What happens to the quality of life for people dependent on that bus service? 

I absolutely agree that the South Bay needs better transit. It needs better rail transit and better bus transit. But BART to San Jose is not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas: please take the time to scrutinize this project carefully. I&#8217;m not sure if you read the blog regularly; just in case you don&#8217;t, my perspective is always in favor of more and better transit. That applies <i>everywhere</i>: not just to San Francisco and the East Bay. But it&#8217;s no accident that transit <i>advocates</i> are exactly those people who oppose the project! That&#8217;s a clear sign that there&#8217;s more underlying this project than just the &#8220;cool&#8221; factor of having BART in San Jose.</p>
<p>You speak of quality of life. Consider what will occur when VTA is forced to cut bus service, so that funds can be moved from bus operation to cover the BART operation shortfall. What happens to the quality of life for people dependent on that bus service? </p>
<p>I absolutely agree that the South Bay needs better transit. It needs better rail transit and better bus transit. But BART to San Jose is not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6153</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a resident of the south bay for over 12 years.  it is incredibly unfair that the north and east bays argue against this point regardless of south bay ridership statistics, as they already have their transit system in place.  so light rail is not the most readily used asset.  so caltrain goes up and down the peninsula (and literally kills people in the process);  it takes 2 hours and only runs every hour (normally).  bart runs every 15 minutes.  if people want to go to sf or the east bay, they have to drive.  i have been wishing for this expansion ever since i found out about bart.  politicos aside, what about the people that need it?  huh?  what about traffic on 101 and 280?  just the notion of being able to leave this sprawling metropolis on foot is inspiring to us.  it&#039;s only money.  how about quality of life?  oh well, i guess the people of the south bay don&#039;t matter.  what&#039;s new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a resident of the south bay for over 12 years.  it is incredibly unfair that the north and east bays argue against this point regardless of south bay ridership statistics, as they already have their transit system in place.  so light rail is not the most readily used asset.  so caltrain goes up and down the peninsula (and literally kills people in the process);  it takes 2 hours and only runs every hour (normally).  bart runs every 15 minutes.  if people want to go to sf or the east bay, they have to drive.  i have been wishing for this expansion ever since i found out about bart.  politicos aside, what about the people that need it?  huh?  what about traffic on 101 and 280?  just the notion of being able to leave this sprawling metropolis on foot is inspiring to us.  it&#8217;s only money.  how about quality of life?  oh well, i guess the people of the south bay don&#8217;t matter.  what&#8217;s new?</p>
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		<title>By: BART to Silicon Valley &#124; San Jose Metblogs</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6114</link>
		<dc:creator>BART to Silicon Valley &#124; San Jose Metblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to read here, here, here, and here. Related posts:To BART or not to BARTDowntown Light Rail Closure This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SFHope</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6087</link>
		<dc:creator>SFHope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, *LOVE* the SFO extension. Say what you will, but it makes getting to the airport so much easier and cheaper. No crappy driving, no crappy freeway, no wasteful taxi...

Going to/from SF I used to fly through OAK almost exclusively, since it was closest to a BART connection, but now I take great pains to make sure I can fly out of SFO due to its very easy BART access.

I am thankful for the SFO extension every time I travel.

I look forward to BART to San Jose, =) Getting between SF and San Jose on Caltrain is fast, but only at peak hours and only if you want to get between 4th and King and the Shark Tank.

In real travel time from Downtown SF to Downtown San Jose, BART will be faster. A no-waiting trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, *LOVE* the SFO extension. Say what you will, but it makes getting to the airport so much easier and cheaper. No crappy driving, no crappy freeway, no wasteful taxi&#8230;</p>
<p>Going to/from SF I used to fly through OAK almost exclusively, since it was closest to a BART connection, but now I take great pains to make sure I can fly out of SFO due to its very easy BART access.</p>
<p>I am thankful for the SFO extension every time I travel.</p>
<p>I look forward to BART to San Jose, =) Getting between SF and San Jose on Caltrain is fast, but only at peak hours and only if you want to get between 4th and King and the Shark Tank.</p>
<p>In real travel time from Downtown SF to Downtown San Jose, BART will be faster. A no-waiting trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6080</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a life-long South Bay resident with a particular interest in transit issues, so I&#039;ll chime in with a couple of points.

@Steve et al: Light rail was originally planned to connect the South San Jose sprawl with the North First / Golden Triangle office parks (Cisco, semiconductor firms, etc. are based there) , skipping Downtown. Civic leaders wanted to serve Downtown as well, so the alignment was designed to run in a transit mall. This is the speed bottleneck in the system -- there are multiple 90-degree turns and trains are limited to 10-15 mph in downtown (the tracks aren&#039;t grade separated). There are a lot of other 90-degree turns and poor engineering choices in the system -- most due to political wrangling -- but the downtown jog is the main reason why service can&#039;t compete with travel speeds of the auto, especially with the buildout of the highway and expressway system in the South Bay.

@thamsenman: Caltrain serves most job centers in the South Bay indirectly (through transfers to shuttles or light rail) -- but for the San Francisco / Peninsula commuter only. Bart to San Jose is primarily focused on one commute pattern -- East Bay to South Bay. SF to South Bay is ancillary and Bart likely won&#039;t pick up these commuters because its non-competitive on time. This is a fairly heavily traveled pattern; one only needs to look at the gridlock on 880 during rush hour to get a sense of the amount of people that travel to the South Bay from the East Bay every day. The big question isn&#039;t whether transit is needed for that commute pattern -- it is -- but what the appropriate transit mode should be built for that pattern based on non-inflated ridership numbers.


BUT...
If I were a betting man and the economy wasn&#039;t in the tank, I would have put my money on this sales tax passing fairly easily. My boss supports it still, my mom will probably vote yes, and a lot of old friends will probably vote for it. They have no idea what the SVLG or Ron Diridon is, so its not like theyre voting for it out because the cognescenti is pushing the measure. The truth is that Bart is seen as more convenient vis-a-vis other transit options -- 15-minute headways (&quot;it seems like you dont have to wait as long for a train&quot;), constant 50 mph electro-motive travel (&quot;it feels faster&quot;) make it a more viscerally appealing option versus a promise to create a caltrain-like metro east project on the east side of town or running express buses. Most people in the South Bay have used Bart for some reason or other and they generally have a high opinion of the system. Basically, the Bart brand is very, very strong even in a county that doesn&#039;t have bart. That&#039;s something that&#039;s very hard to beat. (Also, I&#039;d say a lot of South Bay residents don&#039;t commute out of the area -- so they view Bart as a weekend-trip system, and Bart on the weekend beats the pants off Caltrain on the weekend [1-hour headways?])

Now that people are very, very worried about money, I&#039;d say that we might see the tax fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a life-long South Bay resident with a particular interest in transit issues, so I&#8217;ll chime in with a couple of points.</p>
<p>@Steve et al: Light rail was originally planned to connect the South San Jose sprawl with the North First / Golden Triangle office parks (Cisco, semiconductor firms, etc. are based there) , skipping Downtown. Civic leaders wanted to serve Downtown as well, so the alignment was designed to run in a transit mall. This is the speed bottleneck in the system &#8212; there are multiple 90-degree turns and trains are limited to 10-15 mph in downtown (the tracks aren&#8217;t grade separated). There are a lot of other 90-degree turns and poor engineering choices in the system &#8212; most due to political wrangling &#8212; but the downtown jog is the main reason why service can&#8217;t compete with travel speeds of the auto, especially with the buildout of the highway and expressway system in the South Bay.</p>
<p>@thamsenman: Caltrain serves most job centers in the South Bay indirectly (through transfers to shuttles or light rail) &#8212; but for the San Francisco / Peninsula commuter only. Bart to San Jose is primarily focused on one commute pattern &#8212; East Bay to South Bay. SF to South Bay is ancillary and Bart likely won&#8217;t pick up these commuters because its non-competitive on time. This is a fairly heavily traveled pattern; one only needs to look at the gridlock on 880 during rush hour to get a sense of the amount of people that travel to the South Bay from the East Bay every day. The big question isn&#8217;t whether transit is needed for that commute pattern &#8212; it is &#8212; but what the appropriate transit mode should be built for that pattern based on non-inflated ridership numbers.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;<br />
If I were a betting man and the economy wasn&#8217;t in the tank, I would have put my money on this sales tax passing fairly easily. My boss supports it still, my mom will probably vote yes, and a lot of old friends will probably vote for it. They have no idea what the SVLG or Ron Diridon is, so its not like theyre voting for it out because the cognescenti is pushing the measure. The truth is that Bart is seen as more convenient vis-a-vis other transit options &#8212; 15-minute headways (&#8220;it seems like you dont have to wait as long for a train&#8221;), constant 50 mph electro-motive travel (&#8220;it feels faster&#8221;) make it a more viscerally appealing option versus a promise to create a caltrain-like metro east project on the east side of town or running express buses. Most people in the South Bay have used Bart for some reason or other and they generally have a high opinion of the system. Basically, the Bart brand is very, very strong even in a county that doesn&#8217;t have bart. That&#8217;s something that&#8217;s very hard to beat. (Also, I&#8217;d say a lot of South Bay residents don&#8217;t commute out of the area &#8212; so they view Bart as a weekend-trip system, and Bart on the weekend beats the pants off Caltrain on the weekend [1-hour headways?])</p>
<p>Now that people are very, very worried about money, I&#8217;d say that we might see the tax fail.</p>
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		<title>By: thamsenman</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6013</link>
		<dc:creator>thamsenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@count Z,

I remember there was a proposal for something like that, called Caltrain Metro East.  I don&#039;t think it got off the ground but it would be much cheaper than BART.</description>
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<p>I remember there was a proposal for something like that, called Caltrain Metro East.  I don&#8217;t think it got off the ground but it would be much cheaper than BART.</p>
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		<title>By: count Z</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2008/10/01/bart-to-san-jose-volume-1-a-long-expected-party/#comment-6011</link>
		<dc:creator>count Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would be much better off spending the money to put a subway under Geary or Van Ness.  What&#039;s wrong with using the existing tracks for CalTrain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would be much better off spending the money to put a subway under Geary or Van Ness.  What&#8217;s wrong with using the existing tracks for CalTrain?</p>
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