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	<title>Comments on: Central Subway: Visionary Project or Colossal Boondoggle?</title>
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		<title>By: The Northwest Subway &#171; Transbay Blog</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-6838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Northwest Subway &#171; Transbay Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rail service to North Beach would indeed seem to be a missed opportunity, even for Central Subway skeptics like yours truly. But then, where to extend the tracks? To Fisherman&#8217;s Wharf, as some suggest [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rail service to North Beach would indeed seem to be a missed opportunity, even for Central Subway skeptics like yours truly. But then, where to extend the tracks? To Fisherman&#8217;s Wharf, as some suggest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: duncan.idaho</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-3590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[duncan.idaho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does everyone always say &quot;rail under geary&quot;.  Its pretty obvious from CC alignment 3B that if it ever happens we will have rail under O&#039;farrel and rail over Geary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everyone always say &#8220;rail under geary&#8221;.  Its pretty obvious from CC alignment 3B that if it ever happens we will have rail under O&#8217;farrel and rail over Geary.</p>
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		<title>By: Subway Dream (San Francisco) &#171; Transbay Blog</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-2813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Subway Dream (San Francisco) &#171; Transbay Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] there&#8217;s nothing dreamy about the Central Subway, I&#8217;ve included it on this dream map in any case, since it doesn&#8217;t seem likely we can [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there&#8217;s nothing dreamy about the Central Subway, I&#8217;ve included it on this dream map in any case, since it doesn&#8217;t seem likely we can [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-2225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;in this perfectly integrated fantasy world I don’t see why intra-city commuters couldn’t ride Caltrain with a fast pass&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, for sure. After all, we already have it with BART, so it makes sense to implement something similar for Caltrain too, once the corridor becomes more viable for city residents. I didn&#039;t intend to ding your idea -- just pointing out another necessary bit of coordinated effort between agencies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>in this perfectly integrated fantasy world I don’t see why intra-city commuters couldn’t ride Caltrain with a fast pass</i></p>
<p>Oh, for sure. After all, we already have it with BART, so it makes sense to implement something similar for Caltrain too, once the corridor becomes more viable for city residents. I didn&#8217;t intend to ding your idea &#8212; just pointing out another necessary bit of coordinated effort between agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: zig</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[in this perfectly integrated fantasy world I don&#039;t see why intra-city commuters couldn&#039;t ride Caltrain with a fast pass

If the point is moving people it makes sense]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in this perfectly integrated fantasy world I don&#8217;t see why intra-city commuters couldn&#8217;t ride Caltrain with a fast pass</p>
<p>If the point is moving people it makes sense</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-2187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zig: sounds pretty on topic to me.

If we&#039;re willing to be open-minded about alternatives to tunneling under Stockton, the benefits of BRT on Third Street, as opposed to rail, become clear. The sluggishness of the T-Third is largely due to an excess of stops, and yet, in the absence of any local bus, we&#039;ll continue to hear complaints from riders about stops being spaced too far apart, right alongside comments that service is too slow. Running different versions of local/express bus service in dedicated lanes would address both concerns. 

For fast pass holders, it would require a separate fare, but as you mention, for the really fast trip to downtown, you&#039;d have a 10 minute ride from Bayshore to Transbay on electrified Caltrain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zig: sounds pretty on topic to me.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re willing to be open-minded about alternatives to tunneling under Stockton, the benefits of BRT on Third Street, as opposed to rail, become clear. The sluggishness of the T-Third is largely due to an excess of stops, and yet, in the absence of any local bus, we&#8217;ll continue to hear complaints from riders about stops being spaced too far apart, right alongside comments that service is too slow. Running different versions of local/express bus service in dedicated lanes would address both concerns. </p>
<p>For fast pass holders, it would require a separate fare, but as you mention, for the really fast trip to downtown, you&#8217;d have a 10 minute ride from Bayshore to Transbay on electrified Caltrain.</p>
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		<title>By: Zig</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-2148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good stuff Eric thanks for the blog

This is not totally on topic but is related to the T and coordinated transit planning; in a better world the idea of equity for poor southern neighborhoods would have been a coordination of the electrification of Caltrain to downtown with better local bus connections to the Bayshore station



The T we ended up with is such simply embarrassing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good stuff Eric thanks for the blog</p>
<p>This is not totally on topic but is related to the T and coordinated transit planning; in a better world the idea of equity for poor southern neighborhoods would have been a coordination of the electrification of Caltrain to downtown with better local bus connections to the Bayshore station</p>
<p>The T we ended up with is such simply embarrassing</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Charles: Merchants who will raise hell if their thoroughfare becomes &quot;less accessible&quot; to potential customers? (Though, ironically, becoming much more accessible.) A lack of political will and leadership? Sometimes this town isn&#039;t as progressive as we&#039;d like. Also, the last time Chinatown became less accessible to drivers (when the freeway collapsed in the earthquake) there was protest... and well, at least we don&#039;t have the freeway anymore, but we do have this far-from-perfectly-planned subway tunnel instead. 

That said, I agree with you (if you haven&#039;t seen it already, check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://transbay.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/central-subway-thinking-outside-the-station-box/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last post&lt;/a&gt; of this series).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Charles: Merchants who will raise hell if their thoroughfare becomes &#8220;less accessible&#8221; to potential customers? (Though, ironically, becoming much more accessible.) A lack of political will and leadership? Sometimes this town isn&#8217;t as progressive as we&#8217;d like. Also, the last time Chinatown became less accessible to drivers (when the freeway collapsed in the earthquake) there was protest&#8230; and well, at least we don&#8217;t have the freeway anymore, but we do have this far-from-perfectly-planned subway tunnel instead. </p>
<p>That said, I agree with you (if you haven&#8217;t seen it already, check out the <a href="http://transbay.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/central-subway-thinking-outside-the-station-box/" rel="nofollow">last post</a> of this series).</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is there not more discussion about turning Stockton street north of the Stockton tunnel and south of Columbus Ave. into a pedestrian and transit mall?  An area with wide sidewalks, transit right-of-way and no cars allowed!  There is no need to have cars travel through this area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there not more discussion about turning Stockton street north of the Stockton tunnel and south of Columbus Ave. into a pedestrian and transit mall?  An area with wide sidewalks, transit right-of-way and no cars allowed!  There is no need to have cars travel through this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Chow</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/11/16/central-subway-visionary-project-or-colossal-boondoggle/#comment-1878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Chow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the line could end at 4th &amp; King, as long as there will be a separate platform that is not shared by either the existing T or the N, nor cross or share tracks with these lines either.

The platforms on 4th Street by King is not long enough for 3 car service, as well as other stations further south. If that&#039;s one of the primary reasons to justify shorter platform for the Central Subway (the other reason is obviously cost), then it is not worth $1.6 billion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the line could end at 4th &amp; King, as long as there will be a separate platform that is not shared by either the existing T or the N, nor cross or share tracks with these lines either.</p>
<p>The platforms on 4th Street by King is not long enough for 3 car service, as well as other stations further south. If that&#8217;s one of the primary reasons to justify shorter platform for the Central Subway (the other reason is obviously cost), then it is not worth $1.6 billion.</p>
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