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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-5368</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whole Wheat, I agree that Van Ness is a corridor that it would be nice to see integrated into our rail network, but the BRT project is not currently being planned for a rail upgrade. And VN itself is only part of the 47 and 49 routes. Without a plan to expand light rail through SoMa and into the Mission and Excelsior, you&#039;d basically just have a two-mile light rail shuttle up and down Van Ness. A route that limited doesn&#039;t really capture the benefits of LRT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whole Wheat, I agree that Van Ness is a corridor that it would be nice to see integrated into our rail network, but the BRT project is not currently being planned for a rail upgrade. And VN itself is only part of the 47 and 49 routes. Without a plan to expand light rail through SoMa and into the Mission and Excelsior, you&#8217;d basically just have a two-mile light rail shuttle up and down Van Ness. A route that limited doesn&#8217;t really capture the benefits of LRT.</p>
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		<title>By: Whole Wheat Toast</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-5356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whole Wheat Toast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what would be even better? Light rail if possible. And yes, the stations should be really less, but here&#039;s how I put it: Chesnut/Francisco, Union, Jackson/Washington, California, Geary/Offarrell, City Hall (one at Grove, one at McAllister), and Market/Mission so it won&#039;t be as sluggish.

And if possible, transit vehicles could run on the tracks, which would replace the 47 and the 9, like how the old H-Potrero used to run...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what would be even better? Light rail if possible. And yes, the stations should be really less, but here&#8217;s how I put it: Chesnut/Francisco, Union, Jackson/Washington, California, Geary/Offarrell, City Hall (one at Grove, one at McAllister), and Market/Mission so it won&#8217;t be as sluggish.</p>
<p>And if possible, transit vehicles could run on the tracks, which would replace the 47 and the 9, like how the old H-Potrero used to run&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FS77</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-1300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FS77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, you have some great ideas about the Van Ness BRT. I also agree that they should have a bus that runs only on the brt section of Van Ness and that it should start from Civic Center Bart, not Van Ness Muni Metro; it could be even called the V line. The thing is, the 49 starts all the way at Balboa Park Bart Station (on the other side of the city) and therefore there is no way in the world the buses will be on time when they get to Van Ness and Market, 5 miles and tens of stops later. 11 stops for 2 miles are also way too many. 3 stops a mile would be plenty. If somebody needed to get to a street not served by the 49/47 buses, they can just walk one block to Polk and catch a 19, which stop every block! I personally would like to see the Embarcadero transit lanes (currently used only by the super slow, alway packed with tourists, unreliable and uncomfortable F trains) used as a BRT. I mean, that&#039;s already built and ready to go! It&#039;s such a waste using it only for historic trains... maybe the 47 can be extended all the way around the Embarcadero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you have some great ideas about the Van Ness BRT. I also agree that they should have a bus that runs only on the brt section of Van Ness and that it should start from Civic Center Bart, not Van Ness Muni Metro; it could be even called the V line. The thing is, the 49 starts all the way at Balboa Park Bart Station (on the other side of the city) and therefore there is no way in the world the buses will be on time when they get to Van Ness and Market, 5 miles and tens of stops later. 11 stops for 2 miles are also way too many. 3 stops a mile would be plenty. If somebody needed to get to a street not served by the 49/47 buses, they can just walk one block to Polk and catch a 19, which stop every block! I personally would like to see the Embarcadero transit lanes (currently used only by the super slow, alway packed with tourists, unreliable and uncomfortable F trains) used as a BRT. I mean, that&#8217;s already built and ready to go! It&#8217;s such a waste using it only for historic trains&#8230; maybe the 47 can be extended all the way around the Embarcadero.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-349</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you know my view on this, I think. Stockton does need to be reconfigured, even with a Central Subway. Bring on the fight over lost parking, I guess! But while we&#039;re on parking: would you (or anyone else) happen to know how much the Portsmouth Square and St. Mary&#039;s garages typically fill up? I don&#039;t have any idea, but the two garages combined have 1,143 parking stalls. I wonder if you&#039;d even need to build any replacement parking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know my view on this, I think. Stockton does need to be reconfigured, even with a Central Subway. Bring on the fight over lost parking, I guess! But while we&#8217;re on parking: would you (or anyone else) happen to know how much the Portsmouth Square and St. Mary&#8217;s garages typically fill up? I don&#8217;t have any idea, but the two garages combined have 1,143 parking stalls. I wonder if you&#8217;d even need to build any replacement parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There are only so many more buses that Stockton can take, short of doing some serious streetscape improvements.&quot;

Is there any street that desperately needs streetscape improvements more than Stockton, though?  I still get pissed every time I&#039;m riding down Stockton and look out at the THOUSANDS of pedestrians trying to navigate their way through crowded 9&#039; wide sidewalks - while there are TWO parking lanes on the street.  Such a waste of space would never be tolerated in most other countries.  I&#039;m fine with adding parking if it&#039;s really needed somewhere in the area - but STREET parking on one of the most pedestrian-heavy streets in the West?  Gimme a break!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are only so many more buses that Stockton can take, short of doing some serious streetscape improvements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there any street that desperately needs streetscape improvements more than Stockton, though?  I still get pissed every time I&#8217;m riding down Stockton and look out at the THOUSANDS of pedestrians trying to navigate their way through crowded 9&#8242; wide sidewalks &#8211; while there are TWO parking lanes on the street.  Such a waste of space would never be tolerated in most other countries.  I&#8217;m fine with adding parking if it&#8217;s really needed somewhere in the area &#8211; but STREET parking on one of the most pedestrian-heavy streets in the West?  Gimme a break!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-333</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@ kfarr:&lt;/strong&gt; Ah... the pro-transit benevolent dictator! I&#039;ve often wished for such a person as well. Preferably, they would be a native-born Japanese, to maximize our chances of success :) As for privatizing Muni -- the whole machine and its current regulations would make that sort of transition pretty difficult, and political will would be completely against such a move -- though I understand how it is tempting to seek any alternative that could plausibly be better than the current situation. There would be budgetary issues to work out, and while you might see better reliability, in general, I&#039;m skeptical of leaving private companies to take care of basic, fundamental needs (like transit). You&#039;re right that it really does open a whole new can of worms, and the political will to think that through isn&#039;t there. I would rather see Muni work through its very fundamental management, operations, and budget problems. These are at the heart of so many of the reliability issues we&#039;ve been experiencing. Outsourcing operations on one or two lines might make those lines good, but we haven&#039;t gotten to the root of the problem. Which reminds me, I really ought to do a real post on Proposition A soon.  

&lt;strong&gt;@ n judah:&lt;/strong&gt; Hopefully &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; working on the TEP is actually riding transit to offer perspective on these issues! The 30-Stockton has a pretty idiosyncratic ridership pattern, but it seems likes you could infer quite a bit from monitoring where people get on, where they get off, and how many are doing it. As for a &quot;shopper shuttle&quot;, I&#039;d wonder if you could even see such an addition. There are only so many more buses that Stockton can take, short of doing some serious streetscape improvements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ kfarr:</strong> Ah&#8230; the pro-transit benevolent dictator! I&#8217;ve often wished for such a person as well. Preferably, they would be a native-born Japanese, to maximize our chances of success :) As for privatizing Muni &#8212; the whole machine and its current regulations would make that sort of transition pretty difficult, and political will would be completely against such a move &#8212; though I understand how it is tempting to seek any alternative that could plausibly be better than the current situation. There would be budgetary issues to work out, and while you might see better reliability, in general, I&#8217;m skeptical of leaving private companies to take care of basic, fundamental needs (like transit). You&#8217;re right that it really does open a whole new can of worms, and the political will to think that through isn&#8217;t there. I would rather see Muni work through its very fundamental management, operations, and budget problems. These are at the heart of so many of the reliability issues we&#8217;ve been experiencing. Outsourcing operations on one or two lines might make those lines good, but we haven&#8217;t gotten to the root of the problem. Which reminds me, I really ought to do a real post on Proposition A soon.  </p>
<p><strong>@ n judah:</strong> Hopefully <i>someone</i> working on the TEP is actually riding transit to offer perspective on these issues! The 30-Stockton has a pretty idiosyncratic ridership pattern, but it seems likes you could infer quite a bit from monitoring where people get on, where they get off, and how many are doing it. As for a &#8220;shopper shuttle&#8221;, I&#8217;d wonder if you could even see such an addition. There are only so many more buses that Stockton can take, short of doing some serious streetscape improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: n judah</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-332</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the TEP is all well and good but I don&#039;t know that it can uncover some things you can only get by riding it. after having to ride the 1 california and 30 stockton for a while I realized the need for a &quot;shopper shuttle&quot; that would better serve the elderly population that really needs something like that, and don&#039;t need to travel to BART or MUNI downtown....will the TEP reflect that? who knows?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the TEP is all well and good but I don&#8217;t know that it can uncover some things you can only get by riding it. after having to ride the 1 california and 30 stockton for a while I realized the need for a &#8220;shopper shuttle&#8221; that would better serve the elderly population that really needs something like that, and don&#8217;t need to travel to BART or MUNI downtown&#8230;.will the TEP reflect that? who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: kfarr</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-323</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eric. I will most definitely plan on attending meetings as soon as they take place in 08.

I worked with Dave at SPUR and some other driven volunteers to help push the Geary BRT project into the review stage. It&#039;s still very frustrating that these processes take so long. One could almost wish for an autocracy in this situation, that is if the autocratic ruler has society&#039;s best transit interests in mind.

On another note, has anyone ever brought up the idea of (gasp) running a BRT line as a separate entity from MUNI? I realize it seems like an imperative that MUNI handles implementation/operation, but wouldn&#039;t that be tantamount to giving a no-bid contract to a favored contractor? Surely there are companies (Bauer&#039;s comes to mind) that might be able to live-up to the demand of operating this line.

I realize that idea would introduce a whole new can of worms, but perhaps those worms taste better than those we deal with right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eric. I will most definitely plan on attending meetings as soon as they take place in 08.</p>
<p>I worked with Dave at SPUR and some other driven volunteers to help push the Geary BRT project into the review stage. It&#8217;s still very frustrating that these processes take so long. One could almost wish for an autocracy in this situation, that is if the autocratic ruler has society&#8217;s best transit interests in mind.</p>
<p>On another note, has anyone ever brought up the idea of (gasp) running a BRT line as a separate entity from MUNI? I realize it seems like an imperative that MUNI handles implementation/operation, but wouldn&#8217;t that be tantamount to giving a no-bid contract to a favored contractor? Surely there are companies (Bauer&#8217;s comes to mind) that might be able to live-up to the demand of operating this line.</p>
<p>I realize that idea would introduce a whole new can of worms, but perhaps those worms taste better than those we deal with right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kfarr: thanks for your thoughtful comments on these posts. As you said, we face reality, and it sounds like I can speak for both of us in saying that the letdown of the T-Third weighs in on how Van Ness, Geary, and other corridors are addressed. There are hoops to jump through, and I doubt we can do much to speed up the planning and construction process. In terms of helping to ensure quality implementation, concerned and interested members of the public are highly encouraged to make their views known to the TA -- sending in comments via email, attending meetings, and so forth. Some people on the team are specifically devoted towards studying ridership patterns and matching those to potential service opportunities. There is public input going into this process, and a strong, articulated interest in a &lt;i&gt;robust&lt;/i&gt; BRT implementation (i.e. not curbside BRT) can only encourage them to take as seriously as possible the designs which will generate the highest benefit for transit riders.

The comparison to the T-Third is a valid one, and it helps to underscore the point that we don&#039;t want repeat disappointment. At the meeting from last week, I tried to make this point explicit with respect to signal priority in the corridor, and the sheer number of BRT stations that are currently planned. There are lessons to be learned.

Various stages of this project will be accompanied by public input, and final approvals won&#039;t take place until 2009. You should definitely look into attending the meetings -- we can always use another pro-transit voice! There won&#039;t be any meetings for awhile, while the draft EIS/EIR is prepared, but the next batch should appear in spring 2008. As you probably expect, I&#039;ll continue to follow this project closely and will announce meeting times (for Van Ness BRT and other projects) here on the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kfarr: thanks for your thoughtful comments on these posts. As you said, we face reality, and it sounds like I can speak for both of us in saying that the letdown of the T-Third weighs in on how Van Ness, Geary, and other corridors are addressed. There are hoops to jump through, and I doubt we can do much to speed up the planning and construction process. In terms of helping to ensure quality implementation, concerned and interested members of the public are highly encouraged to make their views known to the TA &#8212; sending in comments via email, attending meetings, and so forth. Some people on the team are specifically devoted towards studying ridership patterns and matching those to potential service opportunities. There is public input going into this process, and a strong, articulated interest in a <i>robust</i> BRT implementation (i.e. not curbside BRT) can only encourage them to take as seriously as possible the designs which will generate the highest benefit for transit riders.</p>
<p>The comparison to the T-Third is a valid one, and it helps to underscore the point that we don&#8217;t want repeat disappointment. At the meeting from last week, I tried to make this point explicit with respect to signal priority in the corridor, and the sheer number of BRT stations that are currently planned. There are lessons to be learned.</p>
<p>Various stages of this project will be accompanied by public input, and final approvals won&#8217;t take place until 2009. You should definitely look into attending the meetings &#8212; we can always use another pro-transit voice! There won&#8217;t be any meetings for awhile, while the draft EIS/EIR is prepared, but the next batch should appear in spring 2008. As you probably expect, I&#8217;ll continue to follow this project closely and will announce meeting times (for Van Ness BRT and other projects) here on the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: kfarr</title>
		<link>http://transbayblog.com/2007/10/08/van-ness-brt-service-plans/#comment-318</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric - I appreciate your excellent review of the Van Ness corridor BRT project in the past 3 posts.

Obviously you have a clear and effective view of how the service should operate. Anyone who has experienced a quality transit system (most likely outside of the US) would agree with your views.

But, then we face reality. Why does the city have an EIR that takes 2 years before implementation can begin? Will this project fail just like T-Third because of incompetency in execution?

How can we work as residents of the City to:
a) reduce time from concept to implementation?
b) ensure quality implementation (both in building and then subsequent service offerings)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I appreciate your excellent review of the Van Ness corridor BRT project in the past 3 posts.</p>
<p>Obviously you have a clear and effective view of how the service should operate. Anyone who has experienced a quality transit system (most likely outside of the US) would agree with your views.</p>
<p>But, then we face reality. Why does the city have an EIR that takes 2 years before implementation can begin? Will this project fail just like T-Third because of incompetency in execution?</p>
<p>How can we work as residents of the City to:<br />
a) reduce time from concept to implementation?<br />
b) ensure quality implementation (both in building and then subsequent service offerings)?</p>
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